Sorry, but you all know it’s true.
Sorry, but you all know it’s true.
Tora Ziyal was and remains the absolute cutest and I’ve wanted – and still want – a million episodes about her being awkwardly parented by Kira and Garak, with the occasional incident involving Cool Aunt Jadzia and a sporadic visit from Actual Pile of Burning Delusional Trash Daddy Dukat.
I think pretty much everyone hates how the writers did Ziyal’s interactions with Garak. I also hate it. He clearly should have assumed the role of godfather.
Because then we could have had at least a season and a half of him and Kira trying to simultaneously parent
the same teenager with no resulting fatalities.
There could have been parallel scenes where they sit her down and are like “ok so the thing you need to understand about your father…”
Arguing over which over-arching method of self-preservation is the best.
Arguing about the appropriateness of accessories (I SPENT DAYS MAKING HER THAT DRESS THE EARRING IS RUINING IT)
The b-plot of an entire season could have been this sitcom
i love this post but in all honesty if garak ever complained about a bajoran earring ruining an outfit he would end up with kira’s hands rightfully around his throat
it would happen exactly once and then get referenced at least three more times that season and twice the next
Garak and Kira teaching Ziyal the complete art of survival, combat, stealth and spying.
Remember that she grew up in a labor camp. Of course she already knows how to take care of herself. Garak and Kira would help her develop her skills.
I always felt that the naive girl they wrote Ziyal as didn’t at all mesh with how she was brought up. In reality, she and Kira would have lots more in common in that regard.
Every single scene with Ziyal and Garak would have worked better if he was a father figure and not a romantic interest.
Her father abandoned her. She is welcomed by neither Cardassia or Bajor. Neither is he. Doesn’t it seem a lot more likely that she would view him as a mentor? A surrogate father? Someone that can teach her about Cardassia without the tinted glasses and understand her longing for a place that doesn’t want her.
I’ve written things before about how Bajorans seems to have a different approach to names than I’m used to. “Nerys” is only used by Kira’s close friends.
Right now I’m watching the ds9 finale. What I missed last time I watched it is how Winn snaps at Dukat when he refers to her as Adami. This is after she found out the handsome dude she slept with was actually the genocidal dictator of her people.
Winn says “Stop calling me Adami. That privilege is no longer yours”. Which confirms what I was thinking. For Bajorans the use of someone’s second name (As in not their family name) is a privilege bestowed on those who earn the right. Not something you do routinely when you get to know someone better.
I actually think this is a brilliantly subtle thing done by the writers. It’s a consistently applied Bajoran tradition that is used to both connote close bonds – and lack thereof. Winn wants to distance herself from Dukat and denounce their previous intimacy, so she very symbolically ousts him from her personal sphere by telling him to stop calling her by her name.
Another one of my fav Ds9 scenes.
I wrote about this in another post and I don’t think I can say it better now so I’ll just paste that in:
I love this scene because it says so much.
Firstly, about Kai Winn as a character. She isn’t a one dimensional villain. She isn’t blindly following her faith and that is her only motivation. She has struggled with it and have been punished for it. It would have been so much easier for her to chose another path. To renounce her faith or to simply stop teaching it. But she fought for it.
Secondly, about Bajor as a society. Why is their faith so important to them? Because so many people like Kai Winn had only their faith during the occupation. They held on to their faith. Surely partly because the Cardassians hated it. It was always a form of resistance in itself to keep believing, keep praying, keep gathering in secrecy.
Thirdly, it says a lot about Ds9 as a show. This is exactly why I love Ds9. They weren’t satisfied with Winn as a simple antagonist, there to show up now and then and make trouble for Sisko with some religious opposition. Instead they made her complex. They chose to let us understand her. They do this with a lot of their characters and they do it so well.
How the scene plays out comes as a surprise when viewing the episode for the first time. Of course they are going to exchange some banter and then go separate ways? Of course we the viewers will be left satisfied with knowing who the enemy and the heroes are? No, says Ds9.
Instead Winn here challenges Kira’s, and in turn the viewer’s, maybe quite simplistic narrative. Her disdain for Winn is understandable, but Winn reminds her and the viewers that reality is always more complicated.
Kai Winn just fucking slam dunked this asshole into the trash bin
Some great reaction shots straight from the Kai of Bajor.